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    The email below has today been sent to MYA Club Secretaries with the approval of 7 MYA VIce Presidents. ''Dear MYA Club Secretary You will be aware that MYA Council has requested that at an Extraordinary General Meeting to be held on 25th January 2020 the membership approves a New Constitution. We the undersigned MYA Vice Presidents would be very grateful if your club committee and members would take the time to compare both old and new Constitutions including the numerous appendices to the new version. They should also look on the MYA Forum under ‘MYA Chat – Proposed New Constitution’ where there are several experienced ex-Council members’ observations on both the manner of the introduction of this New Constitution and the defects that exist in its component sections. Despite the long time that Council has said that it has spent on preparing the document, it is in an unfinished state. Henry Farley, well known to MYA members for his skill over many years in MYA detail matters, has compared the new constitution with the current one and noted a significant number of issues and raised relevant queries in regard to both content and requirements, tabulating them for ease of comparison. This table is attached and on the forum. It notes only those matters discovered initially and they are probably not exhaustive. Roger Stollery and Guildford Model Yacht Club have also analysed the New Constitution and a précis of the club’s letter is also on the forum, with the letter itself as an attachment. You will see that there are a number of significant drafting errors where the meaning of certain terms and references is ambiguous, which will inevitably cause difficulties in the future. There are also several crucial areas of constitutional significance where it has always been up to the full membership to agree a change of course, whereas this Council has decided to remove those choices. There are areas of uncertainty, poor drafting, and purely Council’s opinions, which will place members at a disadvantage. Therefore the ‘New Constitution’ and its numerous appendices as it now stands can only ever be considered as a draft for members’ discussion. We believe that in support of Council the solution might be to form an experienced drafting committee both from within Council and from the membership itself, to achieve an acceptable Constitution with valid reasons for all changes and ready in good time for the 2020 AGM. We therefore urge your Club to consider carefully how to cast your vote when you submit your voting form (by 18th January 2020) and/or when attending the 25th January meeting. There are no arrangements for amendments to a motion at an EGM. Thus the sensible option is to vote against the proposed motion in order that a refined Constitution can be put before the members at the 2020 AGM. Yours sincerely Mike Clifton, Chris Durant, Henry Farley, Robert Hobbs, Steve Poole, Russell Potts, Roger Stollery MYA Vice Presidents''
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    Suitable for A class classic , nice looking yacht
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    A seller with few scruples. I was trying to work out what design it actually is.
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    Hi Phil/Darin To say that I am disappointed would be a gross understatement, there has been no meaningful response to my last post. The last input to the thread is somewhat nonsensical and, if I were Robert Hobbs I would feel offended. Yet again I ask WHY THE RUSH? It has been accepted that a fairly major rewrite is needed. The appendices have to be considered at the same time as important areas of the constitution have been removed from the main body and transferred to these appendices. In view of the 2 years it has taken Council to “finish” phase 1 it is ridiculous to expect to complete phase 2 for a vote from the membership by early May David Munro
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    Once again the Council is in a rush and it is not clear why, just a few days to reply to a major change in the Councils stance on the constitution EGM is hardly fair to the membership. Also going for an EGM for ratification is a take it or leave it attitude the 2020 AGM would allow more time and also give the Clubs /Members an opportunity to comment. The work to date by the council on the Constitution provides a reasonable document that requires polishing . Robert Hobbs
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    It is good that Council have accepted that there are problems with the proposed Constitution and that they have postponed presenting it to the membership but, in my view, by setting a date for completing a rewrite by the end of February they have not allowed anything like enough time for this to happen and I can predict that we will arrive at the same situation as now when the date for an EGM is set for early May. Again I ask why the rush? From the response from this forum and also from other sources it is clear that the difficulties with the proposed Constitution are not going to be solved by tinkering around the edges but require a "back to the drawing board" approach. It has taken Council 2 years to get to where we are now so it is unreasonable to expect that a fairly major rewrite could be achieved in the few weeks that have been allowed. We know that the Marblehead/10Rater World Championships have no bearing on this matter so a programme that would allow sufficient time for this to happen would be sensible and I would suggest that aiming to put it before the membership for their consideration at the AGM at the end of the year would be more realistic. David Munro
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    Hi Darin - nice to hear from you Having served on Council for a period I am fully aware of the time that Council members devote to the running of an organisation such as ours and they are to be applauded. However the Council must be aware of concerns regarding the proposed new constitution as some of these concerns have been aired both on this forum and from various other sources. With this in mind it is difficult to understand the rush to get the document put before the membership for approval (or possible rejection). In particular why is there a need for the new constitution to be in place prior to the RM and 10Rater Worlds - we have run various World and other International events under the existing version without any problem. Surely now is the time to take a breather and have another look at the proposed constitution. There are a number of experienced and long serving ex Council members who, I'm sure would be willing to help. I look forward to a satisfactory resolution David
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    We would want to know what the Council perceive to be the problems with the existing constitution and why it is necessary for the new or amended constitution to be in place in time for the Marble head and Ten Rater Worlds - we have run several International and World Championships in the past very successfully - what's different with this one? As far as the time scale is concerned, it is more important to get it right rather than working to an arbitrary date David Munro
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    Phil Given that the according to you the "unworkable" constitution has been in place for a number of years, and seemed to serve the members reasonably well until this current administration, I would suggest that the only urgency for change is on the part of the MYA Council, although it is my belief that there is a wind for change amongst the membership as well. I am surprised you need to ask for suggestions as to a way forward as a number of suggestions for getting the MYA a modern robust constitution to see it into the coming years have already been presented here, it would appear the majority posting here are suggesting to use what you have as a consultation document with a properly thought out constitution being presented at the 2020 AGM having been worked upon by a constitution steering sub committee taking into consideration the views of all parties. If the 2020 World Championship event at West Kirby is causing you difficulty, in that you need to work outside the current constitution then put the amendments to allow you to host this event in the manner you wish before an EGM and assuming it is seen to be reasonable I can see no reason why members wouldn't vote for those changes presented as a specific requirement for this event, I find it hard to believe that we need to adopt the proposed poorly constructed document in it's entirety for the sake of one World event.
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    Excellent Phil So now that we have 3 vice presidents suggesting that more time is required to make the changes required to produce a proper working constitution and a further unspecified number of vice presidents "offering support for this move and also constructive ideas on further improvements", does the council not think if it truly wants to produce a working document for the future that it would be best for all concerned to suspend the EGM make the proposed constitution a consultation document and bring an improved more complete version of the proposed constitution before the AGM in 2020? Interesting that you appear to think those posting vice presidents here are not supportive of the MYA, castigate them for picking over minutiae within a constitution, which even to the everyday skipper appears to be a very poorly written proposal and then go on to do the very same thing with the current constitution which you as part of the MYA Council are currently the custodian of!
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    It is good to hear a response from the MYA, I find it somewhat surprising that it has taken so long. Your comments regarding the number of people involved in this thread is rather pointless you should perhaps consider the experience of the contributors. We have 3 Vice Presidents who all have served on the MYA Council for many years and I would have thought that their comments and criticism deserve to be taken seriously. I feel that you have rather missed the main point of the discussion which is that there are a number of errors, omissions and anomalies contained within the proposed constitution which the MYA is asking the membership to approve as a whole – there is no opportunity for the membership to table any amendments. Only 2 options are available – approve or reject. If the vote approves it as it stands we are left with a constitution which has significant problems and will probably need to be changed again. If the membership votes to reject it it will be returned to Council to carry out changes to overcome the problems. Why the hurry, surely common sense would dictate that any modifications are discussed and put back to the membership, perhaps at the next AGM David Munro
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    Hi I am using a 380 rm g on my Sword and 2 whirlwind on Sonamara, but I was using a 290 rm g on my Gothica just get the small drum on the winch and use a decent amount of travel you should be Ok, PJ Sails also do a winch to suit an A class
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    so if the council were to decide to postpone the EGM when should the date be set for another one to get a new constitution in place? 6 weeks? 6 months? 12months? Without setting an end date this will go on for ever because we all know that 100% approval will never happen and we will have another "Brexit" scenario. In the meantime what do we do about the present constitution which is unworkable? Changes are very necessary and are needed before the World Championships at West Kirby in June. Lets have your ideas
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    I do not believe that I have missed the point at all. The views of the 3 vice presidents currently on this forum are very much being considered but it is only the view of 3 out of 15 vice presidents of the Association. Whilst I accept that not everyone wishes to put their head over the parapet to get involved in a public discussion and there may be other VP's with similar views but it is also true that both I and other council officers have been contacted by several VP's offering support for this move and also constructive ideas on further improvements. No one expects this ,or any other, document to be perfect and it will continue to evolve over time but it enables everything to move forward. It is interesting that whilst some individuals seem to enjoy picking over the minutiae of our constitution in order to keep the council officers in order they are quite happy to ignore the constitution when it suits themselves. For the last few years every single radio sailing event sailed in this country has been sailed incorrectly and used the wrong RRS (If you stick to the strict wording of our constitution). This is just one example of the necessity for change now and not in a few months or years.
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    I would have hoped for far more posts to have been made here so that a representative view of our membership could be heard. With only 6 people involved (7 with me) it can hardly be described as representative. It is also disappointing that the comments are virtually all negative with no positive ideas for improvement on what council believe is a very positive step forward from a virtually unworkable constitution to something that we can all work with for the future, or maybe the fact that there are only 6 voices being heard here indicates that the vast majority of the membership are in agreement with this move? Henry has produced a very good comparison chart between the old and the proposed but even this only picks on some of the changes, not all. Why is this? Are you afraid to actually admit that many of the changes are actually a good idea and long overdue? I have recently seen a letter that is being circulated around the clubs which amongst other things states "There are also several crucial areas where because of the constitutional significance of such areas it has always been up to the full membership to agree a change of course, whereas this Council has decided to take that choice away from the membership into solely its own hands." This is a complete reversal of the truth. The right of our membership to vote on constitutional change was removed from the constitution many years ago, quite how this was achieved and by whom is not clear - maybe one of the long serving, knowledgable, VP's can enlighten us - this council has put that right to vote back into the constitution. Make your arguments by all means but make them in a positive light with suggestions one how to move forward . The present constitution is outdated and unworkable and we must move forward.
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