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  1. Just to expand Darin if I may in that I didnt feel the setting of the start line to be an overriding factor in the difficulties of time and distance to starting well at WK. Both Peter and Derek set some very good start lines (especially on the tricky Sunday course) and their attention to detail there combined with the RIB crew was very good. But as you say no true fixed method will suit all conditions and it is here that we need to look beyond a' RYA type' manual guideline of 'my start line is perfect' situation and understand there can be many reasons other than line bias as to why people are breaking the start. Inexperience in waves and a level self preservation on an overly long line that was hard to sight at speed played a big part in the difficulties for all in trying to start in conditions not often experienced by many there so I would suggest this to be an instance of where some added leeway could be used by any race team. Lets make the aim to get everyone racing the course, even if it takes a few more go's for that to happen. This horse is no longer beating...
  2. Terry, Sport, Hobby, Interest whatever.......the level differs dependent on each and every person which is also fine by me. That without knowing or having met me, you wish to question my level of enjoyment of this sport that I have had an active interest in back to my early childhood, i'm afraid says more about you and your thinly veiled agenda either towards myself or the Marblehead class and those within it. Good for you
  3. Hi Terry, I must admit to being a little confused by your reply and reasoning for getting involved on a thread for thoughts on a recent event you did not attend. But here goes... You make mention of consideration of others? Well as I have not been a victim of a Black Flag start since 2010 as stated, one could stop and think why I have concerns with their over use? Could it be that I feel that such overuse is unfair on the whole fleet, not least the poor offender that is told to get off the water? Is that the best we can offer a skipper for making a slight error of judgement. Does that add to an enjoyable experience? Was this always the case in the glory days of old Terry? Changes over the sport indeed and not for the better in this instance I believe. An MYA forum set up to discuss all things MYA had a post put on it to ask for thoughts (read feedback) on an event some of us attended (over 40 skippers in 4 days of racing). I offered my feedback on a topic I feel strongly about with regards to fairness for all competitors. It has nothing to do with a change in rules, nor does it bare any personal frustrations for me from the event but I suggest it does more so from others over a greater number of events that I have witnessed. It has to to with a level of rule application which can vary from event to event quite widely ranging from the overly loud type official that shouts and corals his or her school children(skippers) with an unwarranted level of arrogance that does little more than ignite problems throughout the fleet, to the mild mannered race team that goes about their business concentrating on what they do best while always remembering why they are there, primarily to put on a good race and send everyone home knowing they enjoyed the experience. I know which races I prefer to attend or avoid given the changes in attitude that have come over race teams within the sport in bigger races and while we set a very good standard here in officialdom we should be mindful of not slipping into others bad ways. Terry if you could point me to the proper channels I would be enlightened. If it is elsewhere then can I ask what is the point of this forum? Or this only a case of all thoughts welcome so long as you tell us what we want to hear? Is that how we move forward? Cheers Brad
  4. Terry, No question from me that rules are rules, but like many rules in the game we play they are very open to interpretation or implementation. From event to event there can be wide and varied thoughts on how to implement the use of 30.1, UFD and BFD. Nor at the event in question, or since 2010 on the one occasion have I landed on the wrong side of a Black Flag ruling. Yes it is a tool that can keep a fleet in check that repeatedly give a race officer no choice in a steady wind with good sighting for all and repeated recalls. Throw in variables though of extreme winds and wave conditions and an overly long start line to accommodate and I believe some leeway could be offered in such cases rather than bypassing 30.1. Our PRO and his team were very good in what was essentially a test event for next years Worlds at that same venue with excellent start lines and courses with a steady flow of racing. Well done and thank you to them for that as I have said previous. But..... as our MYA race officer asked for our thoughts of those present, given the heading of this thread, I offered my own thoughts in that we are sure to avoid slipping into a pattern of events that have been unduly shaped by a race officer attitude that smirks when asked if he or she ‘got one’. I suggest paying skippers are entitled at big events to deserve a little better and it’s not a track I would like to see here. Our sport has come a long way from the ‘us and them’ mentality of the past with regards to interaction between race officials, umpires and competitors thankfully. Should we continue moving forward or not? cheers Brad
  5. Two very well run events by the Birkenhead team under the organisation of Graham Elliott. Our race team worked very hard to give us the fairest possible race in steady winds on the Saturday and shifting winds on the Sunday. A couple of reaching starts were tried and rightly blown up for not being a fair contest showing us that what might be fashion in full size boats doesn’t always translate to our side of the sport. One point that continues to be of contention is the speed in which the black flag is put in use, sadly another big boat fashion that we have to put up with more and more, with rule 30.1(round the ends) forgotten. Thankfully I believe we only had 2 black flag starts over the weekend due to well set start lines but in my mind that’s two too many without using 30.1 first. Could I suggest that our guidelines for good racing going forward on starting procedure be looked at as the penalty on a skipper, far worse the larger the fleet and significant travel and cost to attend, needs to be understood. My reasons are these: - we are not sat on our boats and able to judge more closely our distance to above or below. To see this we have to stand more forward of the line. - in HMS, a BFD (black flag) is an outrageously heavy penalty of maximum fleet points, not just the heat you are in +1. To add to this you are also relegated. All of this just because at often a not so insignificant distance away you were adjudged to have broken the start??? - does the penalty fit the crime? It does not. Let’s say for instance we have a start with all boats lined up and a cowboy decides to run the line from above, dropping down and affecting a number of boats through collision. The cowboy is allowed to blissfully sail on, take a couple of turns and complete the course or if he or she caused damage, retire and take a heat +1 score with relegation. More grief caused, yet a lighter punishment. - what do we want from our racing? Open ended at different levels but in general it’s the opportunity to race a fair race with all competing. Whether we get one or two full less races in over a weekend is of far less importance than making sure the races we have are consistent and fair to all skippers that pay to enter. It is the competitors race! You only need to look back at the last 2 IOM international events to see which races Black flag starts were used in as those in contention had their worst races and the chancers with little to lose rolled the dice. Races unduly shaped by trigger happy PRO forgetting the race wasn’t about them... Going forward I think if we remember the above and give skippers every chance by allowing the difficulties they face in getting off the line clearly we get good racing. By all means go to a black flag but not before at least 2 general recalls and a couple of goes with 30.1. After all if we have eagle enough eyes to pick out one BFD boat, then why don’t we have the same clarity to name 2 or 3 over in starts that are more fair without scare? Again, we only had 2 BFDs over four days of racing so the above could be energy could be better directed elsewhere but They are points worth understanding from any race team I believe. End PThe full team of helpers did an excellent job in some pretty foul weather at times from the guys in the boat to the ladies that kept our heats up to date and scoring spot on. The WK club were welcoming hosts as always and couldn’t do enough for us. A few boats struggled with a lack of preparation and sometimes avoidable, sometimes not, collisions putting a few out of races but if we look back a few years I think the number that continued to race in the heavy conditions compared to years past we see a large improvement through better maintenance awareness and better built products across the board. As for signal loss, this generally happened on days where boats were heeled away from skippers at distance and signals were weak through carbon. Situations we rarely get at other venues but something that those in the radio game need to look at as it seemed more noticeable on newer radio versions. Thank you Birkenhead and West Kirby Cheers Brad
  6. Good tips Ian on the oven. To add in reply, the very reason quality moulded fins and components are cured/post cured at elevated temperatures are to avoid the very problem you have encountered. In a simplistic way, if a moulded component is cured at a given temperature, lets say 30 degrees for example, it risks distortion or trouble if the item is exposed to a temperature greater than 30 degrees for any amount of time. The resin will soften at the greater temperature and the component will re set itself as you have found out. I have found this out myself the hard way many years ago on a 40+ degree day in Queensland, Aus with a Marblehead fin exposed to direct sunlight with a boat laid on its side on the grass, then launched into cool water for the fin to set with a near 1" bend in it. A fate that was not suffered by the top line German designs of the day laying on the same patch of grass. The example of quality in price difference clear to see and lesson learned. Cheers
  7. Good to hear that you had success in sorting your fin Ian. Not all are so lucky. This is why more experienced manufacturers post cure or use Autoclaves to cure fins and hulls at a higher temperature than those expected when exposed to hot areas for a period of time. It is strongly advised that any boat should not be left exposed and covered with a light coloured towel or similar to avoid any internal moisture sweating and 'infecting' radio gear or risking the problems you set out above if built to a lesser quality or not cured at elevated temperatures.
  8. A big year of ranking events gets underway at Poole MYCs Longham Lakes venue on Sunday the 3rd of February. With places up for grabs for the 2020 World Championships being sailed on the home waters of West Kirby, there is sure to be a number of skippers keen to get valuable points on the board early. For all news on this and other upcoming events and details on how to enter in the jam packed season ahead, go to the UK Marblehead class website at https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/
  9. A reminder that due to months of low water that this years Xmas Dash is being raced with the IOM class at the Birkenhead Club on Saturday the 15th of December. This is an Open race with all skippers welcome. Plenty of different designs will be on show old and new with prizes right down through the fleet for best dressed, smartest jumper/head wear etc etc Entry fee is in the form of a wrapped Xmas gift to the value of £5 for a secret Santa prizegiving, with treats, tea and coffee available on the day. Racing will be from 10.30 am sharp with a finish time not after 3.30 pm Those wishing to enter should contact Racing Secretary Graham Elliott to register who will be posting an updated entry list in the near future. Details on the Birkenhead Club website at http://birkenheadrspc.co.uk/2018/10/13/xmas-dash-race/ Join in the Christmas spirit this year at Birkenhead, the north's premier racing club.
  10. Hi Gordon, Thanks for responding. The rules proposed do 'on paper' appear to help but in the real world of what we do, they have only made a skipper receiving assistance more difficult. In an ideal world we would travel to races to be met by a near equal ratio of helpers (read members of race committee) but in reality our races are run by small but enthusiastic teams. They have enough going on without being regularly called to assist skippers racing. Do they need non competing skippers in their ear every time they wish to assist another skipper at the end of a long pontoon or ramp? Before they run off down the ramp to launch a boat to get them to the start line must they stop and ask if they can do so? I can understand that the rule set is written to be firm in anything that could be seen as outside assistance by one skipper being disadvantaged by assistance given by another. But the reality is that such cases in our sport are incredibly rare. My experience has seen a blind eye turned in almost every case of skippers assisting others because helping each other get to the race course and compete is what we like to do. If our rule makers, an official or another competing skipper believes there may been disadvantaged by such actions then there are mechanisms for them to seek a hearing surely. The fact that we see little to none of such hearings within our events would surely show how we would like to conduct ourselves in such instances. Do we ever get to meet or know about these mystical people? Do they ask for opinions wider than their own? I am not sure that constantly altering SIs brings about any consistency with what we do. Would it not be better to frame the rule set around what the wider majority experience and take part in and then modify for 'special events if required'. Much less strain on the thin teams that look after our day to day racing. I accept fully that their will be a difference of opinion on anything rules related and yes that the almighty World Sailing need to rubber stamp any changes. What I am uncomfortable with is a notion that we are being nudged into changing areas of what we do to suit a tidy shop for World Sailing. We are a different discipline of a sport. There are many disciplines of sailing and they require different rule sets to suit their specific needs. As mentioned previous there is plenty that the full size world can offer us, yet there is plenty they could learn from us. The rule change in 2013 was a classic case of where a full size application does not work within our discipline. Other examples can be seen within event and racing guidelines where a full size mentality we are told is better is having a detrimental effect for many. on the enjoyment of attending events. A working party is great, but like many working parties how can we be sure those co-opted have a wide experience within the many idiosyncrasies of what we do. How are such people chosen? In the face of an overhaul at IRSA pushed largely on a perceived lack of transparency by its detractors, can we look forward to the doors now being thrown open where those skippers outside of its clique can contribute in ways other than through underground emails? Lets have some open discussion. Cheers Brad
  11. Hi John, There is no questioning of your enthusiasm from myself towards the rules and I suggest a great many would thank you for your efforts in explaining many facets of the rules in practice. I reserve my boffin comments to those writing a rule set that does not recognise the aspects of what we do. We can learn a lot in our discipline from the full size world, but in many ways they can also learn a lot from us. Their own world is far from perfect. Our rule sets and changes are tending more to be guided each edition by the 'elite' full size approach rather than those that could be considered more suited to what we actually do at all levels. It can make you wonder whether some of those involved actually compete within radio sailing and if not, what is their motivation? Cheers Brad
  12. Hi John, Thanks for your reply. I would agree and go further in saying that International umpired events are a very small part of the sport and that our rule set is becoming ever more influenced by its needs and not those of the everyday skipper. Maybe a separate amended rule set for umpired racing that can switch on or off in NOR/SIs for those or higher end events that choose to use them? My comments relating to E 4.2 stem back to previous RRS editions and changes that have been pushed through against the grain of what we really do. There was a time back in the 2005-08 RRS where a competitor could be assisted by a rescue boat for entanglement and sail on. A competitor be it young and inexperienced, elderly, less able or anywhere in between could call on assistance from a non racing competitor so long as this assistance was given within the launching area. To me this rule applied a level of common sense in what we do and fell short by only allowing a rescue boat crew to assist with a boat gone ashore outside of the launching area. Later rule sets such as what was applied in RRS 2013-16 went way off track and applied a big boat influence in denying any entangled boats from being assisted and then allowed to sail on. It also removed the notion of competitors assisting within the launching area. Our current RRS edition has at least applied some level ground in the on water entanglement situation but still leaves us with an unnecessary level of restriction on non racing skippers in aiding their fellow skippers. For example, a less able skipper is in a control area some way from the launching area. Their boat is weeded, has a sheet hookup or similar. A young pair of legs can take off and rectify the problem for this skipper and they race on, instead of being disadvantaged. Not all venues are the same and some can be a real challenge for the most able bodied over a weekend. Non racing competitors willing and being allowed within the rules to help their fellow skippers reduces the strain and provides fairer contest for all. If the proposed rule E4.2 reverted to the 2005-08 edition text with an amendment to those rules in 4.2 (b)(1) adding 'or non racing competitor', this would go a long way in reflecting the traditions of our racing and what we do week in, week out across the world. If we tell ourselves we are a corinthian sport and good sportsmanship is the key to a good race, our rule set needs to cater for, promote and encourage this, not constantly look for cynical ways to catch an offender or apply a penalty. That our current rule set stops a non competitor handing a transmitter battery or transmitter cover to a fellow skipper so that they can continue in a race is evidence that the big picture is some way off yet. Can we get back to talking and listening to what skippers want from their racing rules as they are the ones invested in the sport, not rules boffins.
  13. Some interesting points within the Appendix E proposals John with some common sense changes once again overlooked. Rule E 4.2© Outside help Again we fail to embrace what actually separates radio sailing from the full size world with the handling of this rule. It may come as a shock to Umpires and Jurors that within our sport skippers do like to help fellow competitors rather than apply win at all cost attitudes. At any event I have been to there is no end of help right through the fleet to get skippers to the start line. The continued application of this rule as it stands works very much against this by stating that only a race committee member may help a boat in distress or that boat may risk a protest for outside assistance. for example, a boat with a jib hooked up may come to the bank. As I am not racing, I, or others not in the heat racing can not do the sporting thing and help another competitor in rectifying the boat and setting it on its way? If it is bashing against a wall in a difficult wind I can not ease it onto a tack to safety? Absolute nonsense! We are a discipline of our sport where we do help each other. Its what makes our events friendlier and more enjoyable. Whats next, top skippers being told they cannot tune other boats or offer advice for fear it may be outside assistance? Sail numbering The last edition reintroduction of requiring a (0) prefix ahead of single numbers just defies logic and reverts us to the problems of old. Is it 08 or 80? 10 or 01? at distance who can get that right every time. Is it 8? Is it 1? In the thick of action it is much clearer. For race teams with multiple number conflicts as in recent events it offers huge flexibility. 8 can become 18 or any version of 81,82,83,84 and so on. No more squashing numbers where they don't fit or destroying sails to do so. I have heard arguments against this which are umpire based but they just don't stack up. The reality is that umpired racing is in the minority of racing across the world. Why do the majority suffer for events that a select few attend once a year? Here in the UK thankfully our racing regulations overwrite this nonsense and practice shows that on and off water number conflicts are far fewer than the (0) prefix way of the past. Can we apply some common sense and listen to those actually doing the racing? Cheers Brad
  14. Hi Brian I remember reading up many years ago of a yachting press challenge at the Kensington round pond with various 'known' full size keel boat skippers of the time. I could be certain that the class of boat used was the one in your photograph in a round robin format of around 8 boats. The name of the class escapes me but the logo and make of sails looks like those from GB - Graham Bantock (sailsetc). It may be worth trying him for some further information on your yachts and their history. Cheers Brad
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    Hi John, Looking at the pictures of your yacht and the sail plan it looks to me to be an East Coast 12 metre. I believe a small number were produced in the UK, possibly in the north?? and the John Cleave sailed one to success at an International event some time ago. Still a relatively strong class in the USA where it originated, with small pockets of boats in Australia and New Zealand. They were sailed at my home club in Sydney when I first started and I built one up from a supplied kit. As a one design class allowing different licenced manufacturers, it continually suffered years of infighting and rule issues that it could never break free from to grow to any great strength outside of the US. At their best in lighter winds and I believe will measure as a 6M should that be your aim. The class website in the US can be found http://www.ec12.org Cheers Brad
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