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  1. Good tips Ian on the oven. To add in reply, the very reason quality moulded fins and components are cured/post cured at elevated temperatures are to avoid the very problem you have encountered. In a simplistic way, if a moulded component is cured at a given temperature, lets say 30 degrees for example, it risks distortion or trouble if the item is exposed to a temperature greater than 30 degrees for any amount of time. The resin will soften at the greater temperature and the component will re set itself as you have found out. I have found this out myself the hard way many years ago on a 40+ degree day in Queensland, Aus with a Marblehead fin exposed to direct sunlight with a boat laid on its side on the grass, then launched into cool water for the fin to set with a near 1" bend in it. A fate that was not suffered by the top line German designs of the day laying on the same patch of grass. The example of quality in price difference clear to see and lesson learned. Cheers
  2. Good to hear that you had success in sorting your fin Ian. Not all are so lucky. This is why more experienced manufacturers post cure or use Autoclaves to cure fins and hulls at a higher temperature than those expected when exposed to hot areas for a period of time. It is strongly advised that any boat should not be left exposed and covered with a light coloured towel or similar to avoid any internal moisture sweating and 'infecting' radio gear or risking the problems you set out above if built to a lesser quality or not cured at elevated temperatures.
  3. A big year of ranking events gets underway at Poole MYCs Longham Lakes venue on Sunday the 3rd of February. With places up for grabs for the 2020 World Championships being sailed on the home waters of West Kirby, there is sure to be a number of skippers keen to get valuable points on the board early. For all news on this and other upcoming events and details on how to enter in the jam packed season ahead, go to the UK Marblehead class website at https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/
  4. A reminder that due to months of low water that this years Xmas Dash is being raced with the IOM class at the Birkenhead Club on Saturday the 15th of December. This is an Open race with all skippers welcome. Plenty of different designs will be on show old and new with prizes right down through the fleet for best dressed, smartest jumper/head wear etc etc Entry fee is in the form of a wrapped Xmas gift to the value of £5 for a secret Santa prizegiving, with treats, tea and coffee available on the day. Racing will be from 10.30 am sharp with a finish time not after 3.30 pm Those wishing to enter should contact Racing Secretary Graham Elliott to register who will be posting an updated entry list in the near future. Details on the Birkenhead Club website at http://birkenheadrspc.co.uk/2018/10/13/xmas-dash-race/ Join in the Christmas spirit this year at Birkenhead, the north's premier racing club.
  5. Hi Gordon, Thanks for responding. The rules proposed do 'on paper' appear to help but in the real world of what we do, they have only made a skipper receiving assistance more difficult. In an ideal world we would travel to races to be met by a near equal ratio of helpers (read members of race committee) but in reality our races are run by small but enthusiastic teams. They have enough going on without being regularly called to assist skippers racing. Do they need non competing skippers in their ear every time they wish to assist another skipper at the end of a long pontoon or ramp? Before they run off down the ramp to launch a boat to get them to the start line must they stop and ask if they can do so? I can understand that the rule set is written to be firm in anything that could be seen as outside assistance by one skipper being disadvantaged by assistance given by another. But the reality is that such cases in our sport are incredibly rare. My experience has seen a blind eye turned in almost every case of skippers assisting others because helping each other get to the race course and compete is what we like to do. If our rule makers, an official or another competing skipper believes there may been disadvantaged by such actions then there are mechanisms for them to seek a hearing surely. The fact that we see little to none of such hearings within our events would surely show how we would like to conduct ourselves in such instances. Do we ever get to meet or know about these mystical people? Do they ask for opinions wider than their own? I am not sure that constantly altering SIs brings about any consistency with what we do. Would it not be better to frame the rule set around what the wider majority experience and take part in and then modify for 'special events if required'. Much less strain on the thin teams that look after our day to day racing. I accept fully that their will be a difference of opinion on anything rules related and yes that the almighty World Sailing need to rubber stamp any changes. What I am uncomfortable with is a notion that we are being nudged into changing areas of what we do to suit a tidy shop for World Sailing. We are a different discipline of a sport. There are many disciplines of sailing and they require different rule sets to suit their specific needs. As mentioned previous there is plenty that the full size world can offer us, yet there is plenty they could learn from us. The rule change in 2013 was a classic case of where a full size application does not work within our discipline. Other examples can be seen within event and racing guidelines where a full size mentality we are told is better is having a detrimental effect for many. on the enjoyment of attending events. A working party is great, but like many working parties how can we be sure those co-opted have a wide experience within the many idiosyncrasies of what we do. How are such people chosen? In the face of an overhaul at IRSA pushed largely on a perceived lack of transparency by its detractors, can we look forward to the doors now being thrown open where those skippers outside of its clique can contribute in ways other than through underground emails? Lets have some open discussion. Cheers Brad
  6. Hi John, There is no questioning of your enthusiasm from myself towards the rules and I suggest a great many would thank you for your efforts in explaining many facets of the rules in practice. I reserve my boffin comments to those writing a rule set that does not recognise the aspects of what we do. We can learn a lot in our discipline from the full size world, but in many ways they can also learn a lot from us. Their own world is far from perfect. Our rule sets and changes are tending more to be guided each edition by the 'elite' full size approach rather than those that could be considered more suited to what we actually do at all levels. It can make you wonder whether some of those involved actually compete within radio sailing and if not, what is their motivation? Cheers Brad
  7. Hi John, Thanks for your reply. I would agree and go further in saying that International umpired events are a very small part of the sport and that our rule set is becoming ever more influenced by its needs and not those of the everyday skipper. Maybe a separate amended rule set for umpired racing that can switch on or off in NOR/SIs for those or higher end events that choose to use them? My comments relating to E 4.2 stem back to previous RRS editions and changes that have been pushed through against the grain of what we really do. There was a time back in the 2005-08 RRS where a competitor could be assisted by a rescue boat for entanglement and sail on. A competitor be it young and inexperienced, elderly, less able or anywhere in between could call on assistance from a non racing competitor so long as this assistance was given within the launching area. To me this rule applied a level of common sense in what we do and fell short by only allowing a rescue boat crew to assist with a boat gone ashore outside of the launching area. Later rule sets such as what was applied in RRS 2013-16 went way off track and applied a big boat influence in denying any entangled boats from being assisted and then allowed to sail on. It also removed the notion of competitors assisting within the launching area. Our current RRS edition has at least applied some level ground in the on water entanglement situation but still leaves us with an unnecessary level of restriction on non racing skippers in aiding their fellow skippers. For example, a less able skipper is in a control area some way from the launching area. Their boat is weeded, has a sheet hookup or similar. A young pair of legs can take off and rectify the problem for this skipper and they race on, instead of being disadvantaged. Not all venues are the same and some can be a real challenge for the most able bodied over a weekend. Non racing competitors willing and being allowed within the rules to help their fellow skippers reduces the strain and provides fairer contest for all. If the proposed rule E4.2 reverted to the 2005-08 edition text with an amendment to those rules in 4.2 (b)(1) adding 'or non racing competitor', this would go a long way in reflecting the traditions of our racing and what we do week in, week out across the world. If we tell ourselves we are a corinthian sport and good sportsmanship is the key to a good race, our rule set needs to cater for, promote and encourage this, not constantly look for cynical ways to catch an offender or apply a penalty. That our current rule set stops a non competitor handing a transmitter battery or transmitter cover to a fellow skipper so that they can continue in a race is evidence that the big picture is some way off yet. Can we get back to talking and listening to what skippers want from their racing rules as they are the ones invested in the sport, not rules boffins.
  8. Some interesting points within the Appendix E proposals John with some common sense changes once again overlooked. Rule E 4.2© Outside help Again we fail to embrace what actually separates radio sailing from the full size world with the handling of this rule. It may come as a shock to Umpires and Jurors that within our sport skippers do like to help fellow competitors rather than apply win at all cost attitudes. At any event I have been to there is no end of help right through the fleet to get skippers to the start line. The continued application of this rule as it stands works very much against this by stating that only a race committee member may help a boat in distress or that boat may risk a protest for outside assistance. for example, a boat with a jib hooked up may come to the bank. As I am not racing, I, or others not in the heat racing can not do the sporting thing and help another competitor in rectifying the boat and setting it on its way? If it is bashing against a wall in a difficult wind I can not ease it onto a tack to safety? Absolute nonsense! We are a discipline of our sport where we do help each other. Its what makes our events friendlier and more enjoyable. Whats next, top skippers being told they cannot tune other boats or offer advice for fear it may be outside assistance? Sail numbering The last edition reintroduction of requiring a (0) prefix ahead of single numbers just defies logic and reverts us to the problems of old. Is it 08 or 80? 10 or 01? at distance who can get that right every time. Is it 8? Is it 1? In the thick of action it is much clearer. For race teams with multiple number conflicts as in recent events it offers huge flexibility. 8 can become 18 or any version of 81,82,83,84 and so on. No more squashing numbers where they don't fit or destroying sails to do so. I have heard arguments against this which are umpire based but they just don't stack up. The reality is that umpired racing is in the minority of racing across the world. Why do the majority suffer for events that a select few attend once a year? Here in the UK thankfully our racing regulations overwrite this nonsense and practice shows that on and off water number conflicts are far fewer than the (0) prefix way of the past. Can we apply some common sense and listen to those actually doing the racing? Cheers Brad
  9. Hi Brian I remember reading up many years ago of a yachting press challenge at the Kensington round pond with various 'known' full size keel boat skippers of the time. I could be certain that the class of boat used was the one in your photograph in a round robin format of around 8 boats. The name of the class escapes me but the logo and make of sails looks like those from GB - Graham Bantock (sailsetc). It may be worth trying him for some further information on your yachts and their history. Cheers Brad
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    Hi John, Looking at the pictures of your yacht and the sail plan it looks to me to be an East Coast 12 metre. I believe a small number were produced in the UK, possibly in the north?? and the John Cleave sailed one to success at an International event some time ago. Still a relatively strong class in the USA where it originated, with small pockets of boats in Australia and New Zealand. They were sailed at my home club in Sydney when I first started and I built one up from a supplied kit. As a one design class allowing different licenced manufacturers, it continually suffered years of infighting and rule issues that it could never break free from to grow to any great strength outside of the US. At their best in lighter winds and I believe will measure as a 6M should that be your aim. The class website in the US can be found http://www.ec12.org Cheers Brad
  11. Rob Vice has eagerly taken on the roll of Class Captain for the UK Marblehead Class. To read more including Rob's thoughts for the future and all things Marblehead visit the https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/ or follow for updates on the class https://twitter.com/MarbleheadUK Congratulations Rob!
  12. Hi Paul, Sorry to read your boat went down. From experience, and coming from a land that has been wary of soft deck type boats for longer than my time, I would list the following points why your patch may have failed. - Patch was not quality Stickyback/Deck patch material readily available from many sources. I mention this as an unwoven type patch such as sign vinyl or fablon should never be used for this job. Brittle when cold and soft and stretchy when warm and offers little resistance in a bump with other boats - Patch has been re-used/re-applied numerous times. This should really be avoided at all costs as adhesion will be lost, especially in a damp enviroment - Deck has been polished or waxed in the vicinity and adhesion as a result will not be what is required And finally - Too little overlap of patch covering the deck opening. I suggest on an IOM any less than 7-8mm overlap is not enough for a reliable patch. I aim for around 8-10mm overlap on any patch. It is important to avoid any creases in the material where it is stuck down. No matter how much you rub it down, it will leak. I would also avoid using any weak soapy solutions to apply deck patches. Others have had success with this method but a light soap film will always be present between the patch and deck. I clean down the deck area with Meths before application as anything stronger may damage your painted or gel coat surface. I have seen boats of all sizes from RG to A class bashed up and down lakes in the strongest of winds and nosedive conditions with standard deck patch doing the job. If it didn't, boats wouldn't be offered this way. This coming from a past sceptic that built full deck boats. If applied properly a deck patch boat can happily remain 100% watertight if the build is in order. A few other tips for open water sailing and maintenance, including finding any leaks can be found here on the Marblehead class website https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/2017/06/16/three-weeks-for-tweaks/ Cheers Brad
  13. Entries are now open for the final UK Marblehead Ranking of 2017 at Watermead on Sunday the 8th of October Full details with an up to date list of entries can be found on the UK Marblehead Class website at https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/
  14. Last call for West Kirby Veteran Nationals and 2 day ranking. A promising forecast for fast open water racing so don't miss out! All details on the UK Marblehead class website https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/
  15. A good entry is building for these 2 events to be held over the 15th, 16th and 17th of September. Skippers looking to enter are kindly asked to get in asap and do so to help the Birkenhead race team being led once again by Peter and Judith Baldwin. Go the the UK Marblehead class webpage for updated entry lists and details on entry and plans for the Saturday evening meal https://marbleheadsailing.wordpress.com/
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