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Terry Rensch

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  1. At Datchet we sail on a reservoir which has a sloping base, we decided that we need to adjust the line to suit when the water is inor out or adjust position of buoys to suit, so our lines are 24 meters long secured to a sinker which has a toggle on a 300mm spliced line secured to it. At intervals on the line we have spliced hoops just put the toggle through hoop to reduce line. In addition we use a block on a 300mm spliced line at each buoy and use a counter balance weight (old window sash) to take up the slack and keep the buoy line as straight as possible

    Simple solutions to varying depth of water it suits what we need and the water depth at Datchet.

  2. Hi All

    Great post here for all to take on board, i have for a long time have supported the establishment of class association its the fundlemental move forward for growth in the UK for owners to be in total control of their class. I have spoken to Gavin over many months for a formation of a group of didicated individuals that can move this forward, the marblehead class will follow shortly after. The most important thought is this do we want class association and therefore the owners then take control?

    I for one will encourage that route 100%. Its the logical path forward for sucess of our sport of radio sailing. I disagree with Mikes comment re filling roles on MYA council as the forward path re class associations will mean the MYA consentrate on a reduced agenda and as such require fewer members on council due to reduced workload that will be carried out at class level.

    i truly believe the MYA is in a transitional point in its formation, outlook and management in the foreseable future which will require a new and updated constituion as a consequence.

    Graham

    Glad you and Victoria are on board with the IOM its the only way forward

  3. Thought I would share an email I received from Graham Bantock on the new international class rules would are effective as of 1 July 2016.

    Terry

    Gentlemen,


    The 2016 versions of the Class rules and certification material are posted for viewing on the IRSA website.


    Marblehead http://www.radiosailing.org/classes/marblehead/class-rules

    Ten Rater http://www.radiosailing.org/classes/tenrater/class-rules

    A Class http://www.radiosailing.org/classes/a-class/class-rules


    There are also Guidance Notes designed to assist owners understand the how the revised rules will affect them. By the way, in almost all cases it will not affect them but please read the documents anyway. There is a long version and a short form version that covers the important points in brief.


    Guidance Notes to Owners - Long version file:///C:/Users/SAILSetc/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/0MD414XU/Release%20notes%20for%20class%20rules%20M10RAv2b%20long%20form.pdf


    Guidance Notes to Owners - Short version file:///C:/Users/SAILSetc/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/GTB8IB6C/Release%20notes%20for%20class%20rules%20M10RAv2b%20short%20form.pdf


    And there are Guidance Notes designed to assist Official Measurers and Certification Authorities understand how the revised class rules will affect them.


    Guidance Notes to OM & CAs file:///C:/Users/SAILSetc/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/EK461Z1Q/Release%20notes%20for%20class%20rules%20OM%20and%20CA%20v3.pdf


    This material is a useful resource for designers, boat builders, sail makers, measurers and owners. It would be appreciated if its presence and content could be made more widely known either by direct links from the IRSA DNM’s own websites or from other links. Or just by forwarding this e mail to those who may benefit from hearing this.


    Over the last 2 years the IRSA website has been fully revised and now contains a large amount of information of value to the wider sport of rc sailing. Thanks go to Henning Faas, the IRSA Publicity Officer, for making great progress on this front. Amongst the contents are fully updated sections (one for each international class) covering technical material including the following:


    Class rules http://www.radiosailing.org/classes

    Certification material

    Interpretations

    Questions and Answers http://www.radiosailing.org/irsa-intern/question-answers

    International Measurer’s Manual http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/IMManual2013-%5B14649%5D.pdf

    Previous versions of the class rules


    The Technical Committee is particularly keen to promote the Q&A section as this gives the opportunity to cover those common questions that measurers and owners may have and which can be easily answered. Please feel free to pose your questions about class rules or measurement matters – the answer will be of value to others as well as to you.


    Again please forward this e mail to anyone you feel may benefit from this information.


    Regards,


    Graham Bantock

    Chairman, Technical Committee, IRSA

  4. Hyde Parks Round Pond was the venue for this years M&S 10 Rater class championship where a committed group of 13 skippers presented themselves for this years event.

    PRO Charles Clark got things underway setting a windward/leeward course over 2 laps and from the outset is was Graham Bantock who meant business with a string of top place finishes. Other skippers to do well throughout the day were Hugh McAdoo, Richard Uttley and Colin Trower. Racing throughout the fleet was tight with wind shifts keeping skippers on their toes over the large course.

    After 17 Races with discards, it was Bantock who recorded a solid win, with McAdoo in second with Uttley pipping Trower by a point for third.

    All skippers roundly thanked Charles Clark and the MYSA team for a great days racing. Interest will now turn to the upcoming National Championships to be held at the popular Datchet Water Venue with a large entry expected as a final hit out before Octobers World Championship at Limone del Garda.

    Link to Nationals Venue https://dwrsc.wordpress.com

    Link to Worlds Venue http://worlds2016.tenrater.org/

    Copy of 2016 MS Championship Results

  5. Firstly the currently ranking system is not broken however it's struggles with the volume of entries that have grown over the past year or to. A review is heathy and new ideas are good for the sport and our association. What is a ranking? It's all about perception and actuality depending on who you talk to. The UK ranking system was introduced a number of years ago when our GBR team did not do so well at a WC and discussion took place on how we GBR can improve our skippers and compete on an equal basis with the then international skippers.

    Those of us that compete within the ranking are very well aware of our strong top skippers we all know who the top ten are and fully expect them to finish appropriately in their pecking order. For the rest of us it's about where we finish against our peers of equal ability and race them in what ever fleet accordingly. Equally the ranking is about 50% of the social activity that happens after the racing for a get together with friends and make new ones.

    So why change anything? Well I could see an issue before WK with the entry numbers above 60 for a days event and spoke to Peter Stollery a week or so before when we were at Coal House Fort. The entry numbers are heathy and that's a positive but how can we achieve a fair system given the limited number of races in a days sailing with the numbers we have and having to seed then race in heats and finish on A fleet to complete a race.

    As I said it's good and heathy to talk and review our current system even if we don't change anything assendance is good and I for one are proud of what we achieve on the international stage, so how should we proceed I am not for weighting the events including the Nationals as that could allow a situation to develop that a pick and choose for a number of skippers to get their points in a minimum number of events. The current ranking almost forces those that want to be part of it to attend as many as possible to maintain their position on the list a very competitive approach and should be maintained IMO.

    We all have a view on how we could move forward and discussion like this is very heathy indeed

  6. Alex is a craftsman and very economical I just had my Quark repaired and a new raised bow added inline with the latest Quarks. John Shorrocks Quark was very badly damaged at the Chelmsford ranking cracked in several places and the tension on the jib pulled the deck up and away.

    Now fully repaired and he was sailing in C rig at datchet last Saturday.

  7. Hi John

    It was a shame that you had a low turnout but may be due to a number of issues,

    1. Hampton Court event was well advertised and is part of the PRACC series and it was the first A boat event of the year

    2. Easter Bank holiday weekend may keep a number of skippers away due to holiday etc.

    3. It was also hot on the heels of the very busy IOM ranking weekend at West Kirby the weekend before and there were at least 7 A class skippers at that event that were not at Fleetwood

    I race an A class but only saw the prompt on the MYA website during the week and as I am away this weekend and next weekend sailing I need to get browny points with my better half.

    The A class needs supporting at as many events as possible but we have to let the fleet know what's going on well in advance And unfortunately the year book was late coming out this year which I don't think helped. For future reference an email to the class captain well before the event may have helped.

    Terry

  8. Thank you all for your comments on this matter which was a difficult call from the race committees point of view, we did have a suggestion to DSQ both boats but I discarded that as you cannot without a hearing, the expire of the time limit was the unknown element thank you Lester for that clarity

    I totally agree with Gordon's comment on both boats close hauled and sailing for me it was a windward leeward situation which was masked by the actions of Boat A withdrawing his protest due to form incompletion etc and Boat B left in a situation of not defending his actions and we all believed time limit had expired. Boat A comments during the discussions with both skippers eluded to the problem when he stated that boat B was trying to luff him!!!

    The suggestion to DSQ both boats came from someone who is perceived to know the rules, which is the reason I posted this situation on the forum. Knowledge and the correct information helps all understand the rules a little better especially when running an event.

    Thank you

    Sailterry

  9. Hi Gordon

    Both boats were close hauled and contact was made shortly after B tacked to leeward of A and was sailing to the windward mark both boats were moving at the same speed close hauled.

    Boat A went off to complete the protest forms, boat B was informed, the time limit expired when Boat A withdrew protest due to unwilling to complete protest form. Race committee had an un resolved contact so both skippers were called. Boat A was insistent that he was the innocent party Boat B was ready for protest but time had now elapsed and was not given opportunity to present his case. Boat A decided to withdraw and retire from race.

    My query is what would a race committee do in this situation if you have a protest from Boat A on and off the water boat B responded in both cases to the protest stating that he tacked onto starboard leeward but A bore down on him, then after the time limit has expired withdrew your protest but still maintain that you were the offended boat.

    How would a race committee deal with this situation?

  10. Had a situation on an incident looking for guidance.

    During a race boat A windward and on starboard sailing to windward mark but outside of zone.

    Boat B was on port and tacked onto starboard but leeward of boat A again outside of zone to windward mark, boat A protest boat B for luffing and contact boat B maintained no luff my sails are full and sailing and boat A came down onto boat B and as windward boat should keep clear.

    Boat A protested twice both boats maintained their positions and no penalty turn was taken by either boat. Boat A protest boat B and the skipper of boat B was informed. Boat A decided not to proceed with protest as he did not want to complete protest forms and decided to drop protest. Race team had a problem as a contact was made and both boats did not do a turn.

    Observer reports were in conclusive due to incomplete story and it relied on each skippers version of events which are as above.

    The time limit expired and it was suggested that both skippers get disqualified due to no penalty by either of them, boat B stated that as time limit expired, and he was ready to go to a protest hearing so he would protest the race committee

    What would have been the correct outcome of this situation given the situation. Incidentally boat A retired from that race.

  11. Hi Graham

    You are correct on our willingness to have transparency however we have to fill the recent vacated positions of Publicity, Racing, Secretary and Treasurer positions but are following IRSA constitution to the letter and as a consequence we have to have a period of time to allow any additional nominations to be made before co option. We have notified all DNM via letter together with a copy of our current agenda advising of the resignations.

    One of the resignations also looked after the website and its access and we are currently reviewing that process as we speak but rest assured business is ongoing with the remaining 7 members of the EC via the committee forum and are in constant communication with each other and working through our actions accordingly.

    It was somewhat a timing issue as when the resignations were made 4 of the EC were in Holland for the world championships (3 as competitors and 1 as IRSA rep) wifi reception at the sailing club was non existent so communication was a little hap hazard but we all managed to discuss the matter online over the week we were there.

    I can assure you that 100% communication will be restored as soon as possible.

    Terry

  12. Hi Dave

    Glad you enjoyed the RM Ranking at Norwich the Marblehead fleet are generally very well mannered guess its due to the fact the boats are fast and like me tend to get of of trouble before I get into it unless I am on port and your on starboard oops.

    The Calendar has been arranged. As 2 2 day rankings and 2 1 day ranking its to get the fleet from up north playing with the fleet down south and vice versa, the 1 day events are located to help promote the fleets locally but the midland one is certainly there to allow those from the south and north to attend with a 2 hour max drive to venue.

    I too enjoyed the event and Norwich certainly they did very well indeed in organising the 2 day racing and the social evening which was very well attended.

    Looking forward to the 2 day ranking at Fleetwood and the season finale at Birkenhead at Christmas, these Marbleheads are great boats and they are an enjoyable sail.

    Glad you enjoyed the weekend Dave

  13. Hi Nigel

    you make some very good points on cost value for money etc. I have spoken to a number of clubs for hosting rankings and nationals for both IOM & RM, offering everything required all we needed was their lake, management, advertising, administration and race team just parachute them into a venue and race however no takers. Usual responses were not this time but maybe in the future.

    Emails were sent out via districts, notification were posted on the web site but again no one came forward other then two islands and Fleetwood, both were prepared for us to use their lake but everything else has to be provided. We lost two island for next year but Fleetwood is still on the reserve list.

    Its a difficult situation that we are facedwith unless we take the bull by the horns and stipulate to clubs "you will host the nationals etc" then we are left with the professional way forward looks like the answer for venue and race team but if we want clubs to be the central Theam of the MYA then something needs to radically change.

  14. The problem as I see it is the Nationals is a major event where a lot of work is required to undertake to achieve a successful and enjoyable outcome. Most clubs I am sure would host this event however they are worried of the potential negative outcome for whatever reason and therefore don't even put their club forward.

    I have talked to a number of clubs who have said the same don't want the hassle and would prefer not to do it for that reason even if we were just using their lake organise the event and also put a race team together for them they just shy away from the suggestion.

    Perhaps an event pack would help educate those clubs of the process of a National event?

    I have entered a few events abroad and the average entry fee is far higher (double) then what we current pay so increasing the fee could be a way forward especially if the host club is on for a reasonable return for the effort.

    If the event entry fee is increased then a return has to be shown to the skippers in the way of

    1) Tea, Coffee during the whole event

    2) either a light snack lunch or an evening meal inc in the entry fee

    3) good organisation and frequent sailing equals Value for money

    Its a difficult situation we are faced with but there must be clubs out there other then Fleetwood and Two Islands

    Sailterry

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