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  1. My penny worth of views. The problem only exists because of the popularity of IOM racing in the UK, not with any other nation or class, it is a problem of success. Whatever modifications are made there must be a defined pathway for the newcomer to reach the international events. The primary reason to hold a ranking series is to be able to select competitors for international competitions with restricted entry but it has developed into the top class racing circuit in the UK. With increasing competitors wanting to compete its original format is under pressure and not delivering everything to everyone. Realistically Ranking points, per se, are only important to the 20 or so elite sailors who want to be selected and have the ability and desire to compete at international events. The next tier of skippers are those who are successful at club and district level and want to race at a higher level, success would be a visit to A fleet. The remainder have a variety reasons and a B fleet race would be a good result. My proposal, as regards the racing, is as follows. Ranking event limited to 40/50 skippers which means 3 big Fleets, 18/24 heats per day, 6/7/8 races per day, depending on wind, protests etc. Big Fleets give elite sailors similar conditions to International events. More clubs able and willing to hold events with only 40/50 boats. Allocation of places Top 20 skippers on Ranking list on 1st January pre-qualified for years Ranking events. Each District to allocate 4 Skippers for each event, which gives 24 plus prequalified, total 44 skippers District selection should be preferably to success in District competition, but could be by Ballot or any other system that suits the district. For example the SW allocation for an event in Scotland may only attract 4or 5 skippers who want to compete over and above the preselected and a ballot may be appropriate. The Midland allocation for an event at Manor Park would probably be massively oversubscribed and results form the Midland skipper series may be appropriate. Whatever the systems the Districts decide, it will mean that some Elite skippers will sail in B fleet and with 6 boat promotion plenty of serious competition. The elite sailors for whom Ranking points are of prime consideration get plenty of races, the good club sailors get to sail with Elite sailors and maybe in a couple of A fleet races. The importance of the District series as a pathway to Ranking events is established and then begins to have some competitive significance. Ranking points, with exception of the elite, are of no real relevance. Allocation of Ranking points Simple is better Nationals 250 points for First place. 2 day events 200 points for First place. 1 day events 100 points for First place. If only 4 races or less sailed in an event then 50 points for First place Any skipper could then compete in any Ranking event, but they will have to be in the top 20 or be successful at district level or lucky with a ballot. Whatever the outcome of the various views we have to have a defined pathway for newcomers to be able reach international competition within a couple of years. Peter
  2. Thanks for the replies, On a related matter that of scoring, am I correct in thinking In a one heat Race, Boat A would score Fleet plus 1 point for a DSQ, Boat B would also score Fleet plus 1 if they retired. In Multiple heats Race, Boat A would still score Fleet plus 1 ( which maybe 54 plus 1) but Boat B would score Heat number plus 1 ( which maybe 16 plus 1), both boats being demoted one fleet. I which case the argument for boat B gaining an advantage seems stronger.
  3. Starting under Black Flag rules is common in full size racing but rare in RC racing but it has been in force in the current IOM worlds. I was asked my opinion on the following scenario, which I gave but with more time to think about it maybe a different answer would/ should have been forth coming. Starting under black flag A few seconds before the gun Boat A is hovering on starboard at the windward end of the line. Boat B approaches from astern at full speed, realises it is early and in manoeuvring in an attempt to avoid crossing the line hits Boat A on the transom. Boat A is forced across the line before the gun Boat B acknowledges the contact, does a turn, and does not cross the start line until after the gun. RO calls Boat A Black flag and is DSQ Questions Is there any way a protest committee can offer any comfort to boat A ? If boat A protests boat B on the basis of gaining an unfair advantage, what would be the likely outcome ?
  4. Firstly I am a believer in the "If it is not broken dont mend it" principle, I can not see any logical reason to alter a format of radio sailing that attracts 40+ skippers for a weekend of racing once a year, whatever the class or entry requirements. I go to the event for a weekend of full-on big fleet (17= boats on the line) and with 3 fleets it means plenty of sailing against skippers of similar standards. As the event attracts only 40+ skippers plenty of clubs would feel confident in holding the event. If the event attracted more then I would welcome some sort of upper limit to ensure plenty of racing in a big fleet, but we are not there yet. Perhaps the clubs mentioned by Vinnie have members,who would like to compete, but do not like to be considered Vets, if that is the reason then a name change to the "Masters Championship" may be a way round their sensitivities. In 2011 when the Vets were held in Eastbourne a senior MYA officier addressed the competitors about the Vets being incorporated into the Nationals , for several reasons including regatta congestion, with a show of hands the idea was unanimously rejected and skippers voted with their time and money to attend the event. It is a great weekend of sailing, well supported, there must be other more important issues for the AGM to fix! Peter
  5. I was a skipper when the following occurred. The course was Windward/Leeward and the windward Mark B taken to starboard. Mark A was set about 10m to the left of Mark B (looking into the wind) approx square to the wind direction. The finishing line was designated between Mark A and Mark B. I was approaching Mark B on Starboard with the intention of tacking onto port, rounding the mark and sailing another lap. As I crossed the line between Mark A and Mark B the sound signal was given ( which in all previous and subsequent heats was given to the first boat to cross the finishing line). I eased my sheets thinking that I had miss counted the number of laps I had sailed. There was then heated discussion from other skippers saying there was another lap to sail. They rounded the mark and I set off again for another lap 50m and 6 boats behind them. The first boat across the line on the next lap had a sound signal and I finished 4 th. What, if anything could or should I have done? It is highly likely that next time a similar event occurs I will be the Race Officer so what , if any could or should have been done? At the time I had no idea of what to do and as I didn't get demoted to B Fleet I let the result stand, but I would have liked a first!
  6. We raced with 14 IOM's today at Falmouth and had a discussion over lunchtime on the subject of the Nationals and the following emerged. Three days is fine. A Championship should be 16/24 races. Day1 and 2 say 8 races and Day3 6 races or so , to allow for early finish, course changes, protests etc. 24 heats should be possible in a day, which means with 3 fleets everyone gets at least 8 races in a day and most will get 10/12 with promotion etc. Plenty of sailing and not too much hanging about, for the 50 or so Competitors With the host club only having to provide facilities for 50 boats, car parking, loos etc. more may put their names forward. The problem that remains is the popularity of the event and how to select the competitors, the following was one such system, there are many more for consideration. The top 15 Skippers in the Ranking at the end of the year Pre Qualify The top 10 Skippers in the previous years National Pre Qualify Each District Selects up to 3 named Skippers to Pre Qualify ( Selection by Ballot or by Competition) This should give 18 or so top Skippers and 18 from the Districts say 36, this will leave about 14 open places to be filled. As in the Open golf there are qualifying events, then a 2 Day Event held in April / May for the remaining places and reserves, if any of the Pre Qualified Skippers has not confirmed their entry, is probably better than a ballot. Having put the World to right, It was back to the sailing!!!! Peter
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